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Personal Development Mastery
#442 How healing your inner child can transform your relationships, and breaking free from past trauma, with Tammy Cox.
How can healing your inner child transform your relationships and empower you to reclaim your life?
Join us as we explore the transformative power of inner child healing with our guest, Tammy Cox, a dedicated transformational coach who specialises in helping professional women save their marriages. Tammy shares her personal journey, detailing how her difficult upbringing, marked by trauma and loss, shaped her path to self-healing and her mission to help others. Her unique approach to rekindling love and intimacy through inner child healing has not only transformed her life, but the lives of countless women seeking to improve their relationships and personal growth.
We also discuss the importance of identifying and healing childhood trauma by examining the deeply held beliefs that are formed in early childhood. These beliefs often shape our behaviour and relationships, so addressing them is crucial for true transformation. By recognising personal triggers and patterns, we can work towards resolving unresolved childhood trauma. Tammy emphasises the importance of looking beyond superficial complaints to understand the inherited beliefs that influence us, and offers insights into how we can break free from these constraints.
She concludes with the empowering message that nothing in life is set in stone and that the potential for personal transformation is limitless. Tammy encourages listeners to embrace their authority and potential, emphasising that feelings of powerlessness can be overcome. Through self-ownership and the release of shame, we can achieve the life of our dreams. Whether you are on a healing journey yourself or want to improve your marriage, this episode offers valuable perspectives on personal empowerment and the transformative power of healing the inner child.
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02:00 - Healing Marriages Through Inner Child Work
09:55 - Identifying and Healing Childhood Trauma
27:25 - Navigating Inner Child Healing in Relationships
35:59 - Embracing Personal Empowerment and Transformation
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Could I let another person love me when I believed that I was unlovable? I couldn't, because the second that they told me that they love me, I'd be like liar. I had to shift that within me, and that's the way it goes with all of us. I don't care who you're in a partnership with you are reflecting each other to each other.
Agi Keramidas:You are listening to personal development mastery, the podcast that empowers you with the simple and consistent actions to take that will help you create a life of purpose and fulfillment. I'm your host, Agi Keramidas, and this is episode 442. Have you ever considered healing the wounds of your inner child? Then this episode is for you. By listening to today's conversation, you will discover how healing your inner child can transform your relationships, and especially your intimate relationship, and you will also understand why the repetitive, destructive cycles happen in our life, and how to break free from them. So mastery seeker, if you are seeking inspiration and actionable tools on any of these topics. Keep listening before we dive in. If you enjoy this podcast and appreciate what we're doing, the quick favor I'm asking of you is to click the subscribe button, as this helps us make the podcast better for you. Now, let's get started. Today, it is my real pleasure to speak with Tammy Cox. Tammy, you are a dedicated transformational coach specializing in helping professional women save their marriages from divorce through inner child healing. You have developed a unique approach to guide women on a transformative path to rekindle love and intimacy in their marriage. And you are passionate about helping them heal from childhood trauma and foster deep personal growth. Tammy, I'm delighted to have you on the show today. It's such a pleasure.
Tammy Cox:I I'm so happy to be here and your presence, I just have to say, is like so calming and rich. I love being in your presence. So thank you for having me.
Agi Keramidas:It is my real pleasure. Someone was telling me earlier today that I have a soothing voice. So I don't know how you do, how much of a true that is, but it's good to hear. Oh, it's
Tammy Cox:very true.
Agi Keramidas:Tell me, I'm looking forward to this conversation and exploring, among other things, the healing the inner child. And that's something that, as I was telling you before we started recording, I am very much intrigued with this topic, and want to hear your perspective and your wisdom on it, and also about rekindling intimacy in the marriage and all these things that you help your clients with, before we go there. Tell us a bit more about your personal journey. Specifically, I would like to ask how or what shaped your approach to marriage counseling that you do now.
Tammy Cox:So I'm going to give you the whole backstory, because it paints the picture. I grew up in a household with a lot of trauma. We'll say, you know, my parents did the best they could with what they had, but there was a lot of abuse. There was a lot of control, and like my parents were very religious, so it was there was a lot of control, like we weren't allowed to speak for ourselves. We weren't allowed to feel differently than our parents. It was just we were also very, very sheltered, which didn't help. But when I was 11, I found out my dad had AIDS, and he died about a month later, and this turned my entire world upside down, because first of all, my dad was he. He was abusive. So there was a part of me that felt relieved when he died, and then I felt guilty that I felt relieved that he died. Um, I loved him dearly. And at the same time, there was a lot of trauma, wounds I had to work through very young and so I spent my teenage years angry, bitter, um, confused, and. Yes, I really went on these, like, high highs, these low lows. And when I turned about 19, I hit a low point where I was like, I'm either going to take my life or I'm going to heal myself, because I was just a mess. And that's the that was the first time I made the decision that I was going to heal myself. But like a lot of our journeys, it wasn't quick and it wasn't fast or immediate. So I went through just, first of all, counseling, books, uh, fair, any type of therapy I could get my hands on. I'd tried everything, and it would work for a minute, and then it wouldn't, then things would go kind of right back to where they were. So I was seeking out the solution for many, many years, and when I became a wife and when I became a mom, all of the triggers started alarming in my system. My nervous system was shot. I was just a mess. And then I was like, oh shit, I'm gonna mess up this little, perfect little baby, just the way that I was messed up, because I started to see that I was perpetuating the patterns that I was raised with, and that's where I really started digging in deep. And I said, I cannot become my father. I had control issues myself, and so this is when I when I started doing the trauma work, the inner child healing, and it was really the only thing that worked for me. And when I found it, it not only transformed me and my my family, because my husband and I, we had a really bad marriage for a long time, because I was just a freaking mess, you know, and when I started to heal these inner trauma wounds, I started to become a different person. And when we healed our marriage and our family, started to transform. I I got to that place like many of us do, where I was, like, the entire world needs this sort of healing, like we all need to heal from our wounds. Because whether or not we had, like, a really traumatic childhood, like myself, or whether we just had whatever, whatever our our first years were like we all have healing that we need to do, on on that little girl or little boy within us. And so that's when I sort of made it my mission, that I was going to bring this work to the world that we all need it. So that's the shorter version story
Agi Keramidas:you already gave me a lot in this very short thing. And you know, one thing that I want to ask, because I when you were describing it, I thought, Ah, this sounds familiar. You were describing about doing different methods or counseling for healing or trying to find a solution, as you were saying, and you found that all of them were working just a little bit, and then you would go back to that. So my question is, and I'm thinking right now, someone listening to this conversation and might have found that, you know, I've been trying to find a solution to my or to heal or to but whatever I have tried doesn't seem to it kind of works. It's not like it's useless, but it doesn't really change things in the way that they want to. So what do you think? What is the the missing, or the key factor there? Why, at least for you, from your experience, why did not? Why didn't? Don't do this counseling, and I don't know. I suppose you did a lot of things. You used the word everything earlier, yeah. Books, what do you think they didn't work
Tammy Cox:because they didn't get down to the root cause. Talk therapy modern, this is modern science. Talk therapy doesn't work. It can work only in only like, initially like, so say you're a person who have who's never spoken about things that happen to them, and they finally get it out with with, you know, through talk therapy, that can be beneficial. But aside from that, just talking about your problems actually doesn't solve them. Yeah. Yeah. And so when you think about going to a counselor and and, or especially with a couple where you go to a counselor and a she's like, Oh, he does this, this and that, and he's like, Well, she does this, this and that you're talking about, like, the surface level stuff, right? That doesn't tell you anything. So then you spend an hour talking about all this, oh, well, you maybe don't do that and you don't do this, it's like, yeah, but if you don't get into the reasons why each of them are doing what they're doing, then you're really not doing anything for the root cause. And so for me, my husband wasn't even involved in my transformation, right? Because I went down to the root cause of my issues, which was the beliefs that I received or accepted at the point of these high, negative emotions. See, when you're in those first five years of life, you're you don't have the upper faculties of mind. So what happens is you go through a traumatic event. You're wide open. And in that traumatic event, you choose a belief, and that belief gets hard wired into your subconscious mind, so your programming is hardwired by the time you're eight. So until you go back and you change the program settings, you're running the same program. And so I like to tell people this, because it gives them a really good, clear view the two commands, we call them commands in my line of work, the two commands that were hardwired onto my subconscious mind were I'm not lovable and I'm not important. And because those were there, they showed up in every single relationship I had until I recognized them and I changed them. So when I say, go down to the root cause, we got to go to those five years. If we're not working in those first five years of life, then we're not ever going to find the root. And some would argue with something like epigenetics, which is a whole big topic that it goes even before your lifetime, because we carry the beliefs of seven generations back on both mother and father's side. So we got to go deep. We can't talk about the things that annoy us about the other person. We got to talk about our personal belief systems that are controlling our entire life experience.
Agi Keramidas:If you enjoy this episode, can you think of one person that would find it useful and share it with them? I'd really appreciate it. It helps the show grow, and you will also be adding value to people you care about. Thank you. And now let's get back to the episode. That's a great way to put it. And you said earlier, and I got that as a sign, really, or a clear sign that something is happening. You use the phrase you find yourself perpetuating the patterns, or what you experienced as a child, then you were perpetuating that. So I think, and my question is, apart from that realizing, I mean that you are perpetuating some behaviors that your parents, your father, your mother, had as a child, what other signs are there from your experience that tell someone that there is an unresolved trauma coming going back from from childhood? Are there other things for us to look for before we actually start the process of going back and addressing them. Yeah.
Tammy Cox:Like your triggers, when you get triggered, like when you get triggered. For me, I got so triggered by my kids all the time, anytime they didn't respect me. And I'm using these quotes because that's that was my viewpoint when my kids didn't respect me, because in my house growing up, it was like I had to do everything. They said it was such tight control, and it was very fear based premise. It's like you will do they could not tolerate for any free thinking. It's like you will do exactly what I say, and I have this very clear idea of who you're going to be, and you can't be anything else. So when I saw myself like wanting to control my kids like that, I was like, No, I want my kids to be autonomous. I want them to be free. I want them to feel free to be their own unique self. I don't want to slam them into this box and say, you will be this, because this is what I was taught. Was right? It's like, it, it's, it's any sort of control based on fear that. That that I saw coming up in my programming that I was like, I don't agree with this. I don't agree with if you don't do what I say, I have this whole list of things that I'll do to you. It's but for me to really know that you have stuff that you need to work on, it's your triggers. Look at your behavior and say, am I in alignment with who I'm being in this relationship? And this should be a question we ask ourselves in every relationship, but, but when it comes to like, being a parent, it's this fine line of like, okay, you get to protect your kids, right? You're you're the one that's supposed to keep them alive, keep them safe, keep them fed, so you're responsible for them, and then where? Where is it that you are you're trying to impress and impose your beliefs and your ways of being on them in a way that's that's not serving them
Agi Keramidas:the three gifts, the moment you use the word three years, that was, at least for me, I completely get it, how you mean it. So I'm keeping those two, let's say, traits that realizing that you perpetuate behaviors of the past and also what triggers you, which triggers you, I interpret it triggers you to behave in not the way that you would like to behave. And then you, of course, you realize that on retrospection afterwards, tell me, how can someone begin the process of identifying first and probably addressing afterwards, the the the childhood wounds or the trauma that he says, What's, what's one step for someone to take to begin the process of it?
Tammy Cox:I love that. So if you're at home and you want to try this on your own, you really. The goal is to get to the bottom of the beliefs. So say you get triggered, right? And you're you're right. Trigger is something like, in hindsight, you're like, oh, what just happened there? You got upset by something, and you maybe were kind of confused as to why you're upset about it, right? Like, why am I triggered when my kids don't listen to me or don't obey me? And so I sit down with a piece of paper, and I'm like, What am I upset about? And I write something down, right? Maybe it's like, they don't listen to me. I feel unheard. And you just start going down the list of everything you feel you felt in that moment where you got triggered, and then you get to, like the baseline, and when I got to the baseline of why I was triggered with my kids is because I believed I was a bad mom, so it hit whenever you're triggered, think about it. It's triggering you because it's tapping a place where you're sore, because nothing has any meaning except for the meaning you give it. So your goal is to find out what belief you're holding that would trigger you to feel pain when that specific thing happens. So my husband, I would get triggered. I'm going going into marriage. I would get triggered when he'd ignore me. When he would not want to emotionally connect, he would kind of like, kind of steer clear of me and like, I, the truth be told, I was unsafe for him for a lot of years. I was I was not healthy, so I wasn't safe for him. And I totally understand why he did it, but I attracted a man that had his trauma wounds were opposite mine. His trauma response was opposite of mine. So I picked a man that triggered me with his emotional response, which was to pull away. And so when he would pull away, then I would turn into then I'd get triggered, and I'd turn into a monster and be like, you know, like, just imagine, like a kid with a tantrum. That's how I respond when I'm triggered, where he would just, like, hide and disappear or freeze. And so we would just go in this circle where we would constantly trigger each other and respond in the way that you know, it was just this cycle. And when I learned when, when my goat was not so gettable, when I started to heal the wounds, the triggers weren't alarming every two seconds, because I had healed these parts of myself so there wasn't that soft spot to poke. I didn't have all these wounds, right? And we really get to look at why. And so now I tell my husband, now that I'm in this place, I'm like, when the little tantrum, when my four year old self comes out and the tantrum starts, here's how you can respond, right? And and now I can go, um. I can go scoop her up in my arms the the moment I see her getting upset. Because we do, I do have a very close relationship with her. And for some people, they might be like, Why is she referring to herself as a different person? And it's because every age you've ever been still actually exists within you. You have all these different parts to yourself, and so I'm very connected to those parts now, so I can work with those different parts of myself, but to be that connected to you, and to be so conscious when you go into those moments of deep pain, because that's what's happening. It's a you're in pain, and how do you get to treat yourself, that part of you when you're in pain? Well, for me, I know exactly what to do. So for the person who's just beginning on this journey, start to investigate your belief system. Start to get a pen and paper when you get triggered. Don't judge yourself. That's key. Do not judge yourself because you created and developed this way of being in order to keep you safe. So I want you to have so much grace and openness towards yourself when you're investigating these deep rooted beliefs. But no, it's, it's, it goes back to the first five years. So, and sometimes it might take, it might take multiple years. I'm still finding beliefs within myself right after all these years of healing. So, so just know that the journey is probably endless as long as you're in this body and and be open to the process of just investigating with no judgments.
Agi Keramidas:That's quite very important. What you said about not judging, and when you were talking about how you would get triggered by your husband. And it I was thinking about my the cycle, the cycle I was thinking about also my relationship with my partner, with which we do have this tendency to trigger each other a lot, and the what I find interesting. And that also actually happened not very long ago. Up to some point, I thought that this was a big, let's say, disadvantage to the relationship because of the I will use quotes now, incompatibilities. But I realize now, and I realize more and more, and with this conversation even more, that those behaviors that in our partners that trigger us can also serve as a wonderful opportunity, if you have the self awareness, to realize that my trauma is coming up, so the trigger is actually shedding light on the trauma it's coming up, and when it comes up, then you have some opportunity to deal with it, whereas if it is deep, buried in the subconscious, it's much more difficult to deal with. I don't know if you agree with me on that, but I
Tammy Cox:totally agree and you the word opportunity. It's beautiful word, yes, it's an opportunity for you to investigate why you feel the way you do in that moment.
Agi Keramidas:Of course, having the the self awareness to take it as an opportunity and not go down a spiral of an emotional reaction. That's another thing.
Tammy Cox:Absolutely, yeah, absolutely and, and, I believe that we attract the person we do for the healing journey we need. Yes, right? Because there's the reason why I work around the topic of marriage is because there's no intimate there's no more intimate relationship than a marriage. And your your partner, is simply the closest mirror that you can find. They're the closest mirror. And you know when women come to me, they always have this it was, it was, it's everyone's belief, until they start their journey. It's him, it's the other person.
Unknown:He's saying. It's her, it's her, it's him, it is not them. No, no, no, no, no,
Tammy Cox:it is the other person. But as we start to unpack everything, they start to realize, Oh no, that this, this is this is us. We've co created that, and it's beautiful, as long as you can see it as that like, this is our opportunity. That's what I think the gift of marriage is, is that like. You can't be unhealthy in a marriage and have a healthy marriage. You have to or relationship, any intimate relationship, but it's going to constantly reflect the relationship you have with yourself. So for me, I hated myself so deeply for almost my entire life, I hated myself. How could I let another person love me when I believed it that I was unlovable? I couldn't, because the second that they told me that they love me, I'd be like, liar. Now I can't trust you like you know what I'm saying. I had to shift that within me, and that's the way it goes with all of us. I don't care who you're in a partnership with. You are reflecting each other to each other.
Agi Keramidas:I like very much discussion. You use the word mirror right now. You say reflecting each other. And it's certainly in my experience also, it happens like that. It's only, as I was saying earlier, it's been able to recognize that when it happens, rather than getting lost in the the habitual perpetuating pattern, yeah, and go that way. And
Tammy Cox:when we take the shame out of it, the shame that we all freaking live with, if there's one thing I could eliminate from every single person on this planet, it would be shame. What kind of planet would we have if no one allowed themselves to go into those dark, negative self judging belief systems of shame and guilt. If we could just eliminate that man, we would. We would be a much healthier people.
Agi Keramidas:I agree. And these are, you know, the most, lowest vibrational emotions, same and guilty, they really train us down. I wanted to ask one more thing, Tommy about healing the inner child. I think we've covered enough interesting things with it so far, but there is one other thing based on your experience, is there any common misconception that you see people holding regarding inner child, wound and healing the inner child, and is there Something that you have noticed as common misconception?
Tammy Cox:Okay, well, I think, I mean, I kind of touched on it, but they don't understand that. Basically, every memory that you hold in the subconscious mind, it all plays a part in your journey. Like I said, we're like the Russian dolls, right where you open one, there's another, and there's another, and we have endless versions of ourself within here. Yes. And so sometimes people have this misconception that all they are is what sits in front of them in the quote, unquote, present moment. But they actually don't. There's so many pieces to them that they are so out of touch with, because they have are literally every single age right here in the present moment. And so if there's any misconception, because a lot of times I take people to those moments right and they're still active, you know, work much like a computer where we have lots of files open right in front of us, and we have to go in, we have to close some of those files, especially the ones that aren't serving us. So I think the misconception might be that they don't realize how active those files that are open are, how how much they're integrated into their personality, how much their personality was created by traumatic events, that they have the ability to neutralize and close the screen like close the tab on and that they have the ability to change anything about themselves that they they Choose to like you are not You're not stuck with anything. You're not stuck with any of your ways of being. You're not stuck with any condition. Like, for instance, when I do a lot of this, the modalities I do with my clients, their physical diseases go away. Minimize change, because we're dealing with the whole person, not just the physical body. You know, people take medications for the physical body, but again, it's not treating the root cause. So when we go to the root and we start healing the root causes of their pain or disease, this physical symptoms in the body to. Appear just like they do in the relationships. 100%
Agi Keramidas:agreed with that and how, I don't want to go into that topic of how medicine, or Western medicine, disregards all the other elements and only focuses on the physical body, our body. I will leave that for now. There is one other thing, Tammy, I wanted to get a quick comment from you, because we've been talking about healing the inner child, and we also talked about the space of a relationship or a marriage between two people. What happens, or how do you deal when one person is very much interested and wants to go down that path and explore healing and the other person is, let's say, not in the same wavelength of that? Is there any any way or any method that you recommend to your clients to deal with that. Or,
Tammy Cox:yeah, that's you said, a quick response. But this is probably, like the biggest part, the biggest part, because I, first of all, get asked this question so often. It's a big one, yes, and I will, and I always have this response, and then I'll add to it. I started my journey. My husband was not on board. He wasn't interested, didn't want anything to do with it, and was even uncomfortable by my growth. But what happens is you can't change when you're in that close of a relationship. You can't change one without changing the other. It's just the way it works. And so what happened was, when I started healing myself, he started to transform indirectly. But this cannot happen if you're focused on the other person. This is what I've noticed, because I'll have wives that are like, but he doesn't want to he I'm like, put your blinders on. We're not looking at him for a long time. We're going to let him do his thing. And that's what I had to do. I said, I said to my husband at one point, I don't know if we're going to stay together. I don't know if we're going to move forward. I just know that I'm going to heal myself. I'm getting happy, and whatever you choose to do, cool, cool. I was unattached to him coming along with me, and I think that's where you need to, where you need to be is radically breaking those codependent strings with everyone in your life. Because if you want to heal, it just has to be between you and you like you have to make everyone else autonomous to themselves and say, I am creating what I want in my life, and they get to create whatever they want. And it's all good, right? But you have to, I feel like you have to cut those codependent strings and say, I'm unattached to the result, like you get to go wherever it is you want to be. And that's why, I think, for most they come along, almost the spouse almost always comes along. They're probably like, you know, five steps behind, but they're coming because you can't change one without the other either. They're going to have to split up, you know, like attracts like that, which is like into itself is drawn. That's a law in the universe. And so when one changes, the whole has to change, and he who has the strongest energy will always win. So say you're more of the supporter in the relationship, and you're the one that wants to change. Well you you got to kind of address those coded, codependent strings, because supporter is very codependent. So for the person who asked me that I always know okay, you're if you're that attached to where they're at, that means we got to work on codependency within you, because you that means you need other people to be XYZ in order for you to be okay, and that's that's not true autonomy at all. So you get to claim who you be, the whole healed, perfect, amazing being that you be, and allow everyone else to claim their own.
Agi Keramidas:Thank you for this beautiful answer. And you, I think you expressed it very concisely, even though you said that this is a very big topic and
Unknown:but I tried to keep, I tried to keep it short for you.
Agi Keramidas:Thank you. I got actually tell me. I got the answer that I was looking for, so I hope that the listener also has got the answer if they were thinking the same question. Tell me before I start wrapping this intriguing conversation up, where will you direct the listeners who wants to find out more about. Out to you,
Tammy Cox:well, I can offer you my link tree. I'm on all the platforms, really, Facebook, Instagram, Tiktok, YouTube. You can find me anywhere. I'd say the best bet if you want to have a conversation with me is on Instagram. But also I have my linktree. If anyone out there is struggling in their marriage, I on my linktree, you could book a discovery call to have, you know, 25 minutes with me to discuss, you know, working with me, but I'd, I'd say Instagram for, for anything else, any other questions, or Yeah,
Agi Keramidas:Tommy, I have also two quick questions that I always ask my guests. And the first one is, what does personal development mean to you?
Tammy Cox:It means to be in a constant state of Growth and self discovery
Agi Keramidas:and hypothetical question, if you were to go back in time and meet your, say, 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give her?
Tammy Cox:Oh, everything's gonna be okay. You got this you're safe. You got a beautiful ride ahead of you.
Agi Keramidas:Tammy, I want to thank you very much for this conversation. I thought it was apart from intriguing, which I knew that it would be before, and I think that we covered some interesting and important topics, and hopefully we gave to the listener, at the very least some inspiration that can lead to transformation as well, because it has to start with some kind of shift and some action to be taken. So I want to wish you all the very best with your mission, with your personal and professional life, and I will leave it to you for some parting wisdom to someone listening this conversation. What? What would you say? Let's assume it's a it's a lady. What would you say to her as a conclusion of this conversation,
Tammy Cox:you're not stuck. There is, there's nothing. I mean, I said this earlier, but it is just always my parting message is like you're not stuck with anything that you have in your life or any way of being or any personality trait, none of it, none of it, is set in stone. You can change anything about your life because, you know, the people that are at the very bottom of the emotional scale, it's powerlessness. It's because they feel powerless to change their life. So I just want to empower every woman out there that there is absolutely nothing that you can't do, be or have, and to really take authority of your life. Meaning, it wasn't until I owned every part of me who I've been my experience, that I was able to empower myself to change it, and so take on all the responsibility, release all the shame, and just accept what's been in order that you can create really the beautiful life of your desires That is totally, totally possible.
Agi Keramidas:And before I end today's episode, if you enjoy this podcast, can you think of one person that would find it useful and share it with them? I'd really appreciate it. It helps the show grow, and you also advise you to people you care about. Thank you. And until next time, stand out. Don't fit in!