#482 The one mindset shift that separates struggle from flow in personal growth: Discover reality transurfing, with Owen Hunt.

What if the key to success wasn’t about working harder, but about aligning with your true purpose and allowing reality to work in your favor?

Many of us feel stuck, chasing success through effort alone, yet something seems missing. In this episode, Owen Hunt, also known as Bootsy Greenwood, shares how Reality Transurfing transformed his approach to life. He explains how we can align our heart and mind, read the signs life presents, and create a life of joy and purpose—without forcing the outcome.

1. Discover how to align your heart and mind for effortless success.
2. Learn why emotions and energy play a bigger role in achieving goals than logic alone.
3. Gain a practical exercise to identify your purpose and take meaningful action today.

Listen now to uncover the secrets of Reality Transurfing and start moving toward your most fulfilling life with clarity and ease!

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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:

06:05 Understanding Alignment and Emotional Aspects of Success 

09:11 Introduction to "Reality Transurfing"

13:22 Practical Application of Reality Transurfing

17:42 Reading the Signs and Celebrating Actions

21:27 Balancing Heart and Mind

26:51 Practical Exercise for Listeners

32:10 Resources and Final Thoughts

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MEMORABLE QUOTE:

"Dude, don't go to college - don't pay all that money!"

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VALUABLE RESOURCES:

Owen Hunt: https://bootsygreenwood.com/

Mastery Seekers Tribe: https://masteryseekerstribe.com

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Personal development inspiration, insights, and actions to implement for living with purpose.

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Transcript

Agi Keramidas: 0:00

What if the key to success wasn't about working harder, but about aligning with your true purpose and allowing reality to work in your favor? Hmm, interesting. Huh. Then this episode 482 is for you mastery seeker. Welcome to personal development. Mastery, the podcast that helps intelligent, busy men and women develop self mastery and discover their calling so you can thrive in a fulfilling, purposeful life. I am your host. Agi Keramidas, by listening to this episode, you are going to discover how to align your heart and mind for effortless success. You will learn why emotions and energy play a bigger role in acknowledging goals than logic alone, and you will gain practical exercise to identify your purpose and take meaningful action today, before we dive in, remember, my fellow mastery seekers, if you want to go deeper into the episode, join us at our free community, the mastery seekers tribe for more, go to mastery seekers, tribe.com now let's get started. Today. I'm delighted to speak with Owen hunt or Bucha Greenwood. Owen, you are known as the Blue Collar mystic, and you are an entrepreneur, stand up, comedian, Hollywood producer and coach. You are passionate about helping others discover and align with their life's purpose. And through your work, you make complex spiritual and metaphysical concepts accessible, helping people embrace their authentic selves, harness their creative potential and manifest their dream lives. Oh, and welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to speak with you today.

Owen Hunt: 2:08

It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much for having

Agi Keramidas: 2:10

I'm really looking forward to this conversation. I was as I was telling you earlier, there are some things about your story and what you teach that I'm very intrigued about in particular. And I will briefly, I will only mention that and leave it aside for the moment. That book that you read, the Russian mystical book that really changed the way that you see things or see reality, for that matter. So what I would like to start Owen with is give us a little bit of a background of the person that you were before, because I know that just over 10 years ago, you were at a very different place that you are today.

Owen Hunt: 2:59

Sure. So, you know, I would say 10 years ago, so or so, yeah, maybe even longer than that, I was just looking for answers. I didn't know what I wanted to do, and I had picked up a lot of different spiritual books and different ideas over time, and I'd found myself pretty lost, pretty listless, and just working as a bartender. Just, I had just gone through a breakup. I, you know, I was at one of those places in life that was kind of, you know, felt like a bottom shelf, emotionally and, and so I was, yeah, just pretty, pretty turned around and kind of confused and, and then I found, I found a book that really kind of tied a lot of the ideas that I found in other books together in a way that just really just hit right for me, and I realized that I could be in alignment with myself. And this might sound like so simple and fundamental to people, but it was a huge epiphany for me, especially at the time, because I really thought that you either had to be a broke creative or you had to go and just do the logical, most, you know, most practical life that we would be miserable at in corporate America, or whatever that meant for you, you know that it was kind of one or the other. It was like either you play and have fun and be kind of a degenerate, you know, which sort of, you know, whatever you know, no judgment. Or you become, you know, a very uptight and stiff, you know, blue or white collar, you know, type of worker or whatever, right? And so I didn't really see much of a gap between those two possibilities. And I had spent most of my life, just chasing fun and pleasure up to that point and just, you know, I mean, hey, whatever I'm I had some amazing experiences doing that, but by realizing that I could be in alignment with myself, that I could, like, live a deeper purpose and give a little bit more back, but also enjoy. And have pleasure in what it was that I was doing, providing as a service, that was a huge epiphany for me. So that started a whole new journey, and started me learning a lot more about spirituality, its concepts, and getting some interesting opportunities to experiment and try this stuff out.

Agi Keramidas: 5:19

Thank you. And you know you said, you talked about the epiphany of understanding that to be in alignment with with ourself. I think you called it something like that, and that is, it might sound simple, but how many people actually have taken the time to understand that. And you know, when you say alignment with ourself, you first need to understand who is the self, before you are really it is not that question, I think, has a very, has infinite depth. It is. It might sound like a simple question, so that was a very. I understand why it must have been an epi funny for you to Yeah,

Owen Hunt: 6:05

I think that I had seen a lot of friends of mine who were successful really just by being themselves. And they kind of had a natural ability to sort of know who they were, whereas I had a little bit more of a struggle to kind of parse that out and figure it out for myself and see it and you know, like you said, it's an ongoing journey. It's not something that really ever stops. But when I saw the way that they interacted and how reality sort of favored them, and then I read the book, it's like, oh, well, duh. This is why, you know, like, here are the reasons why there are some real emotional aspects to success. You know, people talk about the regiment and the logical progression and all of these types of things. But the truth of it is, is reality is not linear, not whatsoever. All kinds of things are happening. We can't calculate all the infinite variables over time and and so there are some very emotional aspects to success that I think people often overlook. But if we look at some of the more unhealthy psychological people, like people who are narcissists or sociopaths or psychopaths, they almost always find a way to win, and it's usually at someone else's expense. But yes, what's interesting is, it doesn't have to be at anyone else's expense. Like, you can win without, you know, harming other people. Like, that's totally possible. But the problem is, I think a lot of good people carry a lot of guilt.

Agi Keramidas: 7:48

This is already beginning to be very fascinating, because you talked about the emotional aspects to success, and I think many of us, myself included, have found myself in a situation where I was taking all the right actions, doing all the things that, you know, I was told I need to do, or following the guru or whatever, and I did not have the same results as someone else who was doing exactly the same action. So when you said about the emotional aspect to success, that is often overlooked, that resonated. So that's that's great. Let me ask then, since you mentioned the book, it is called Reality transurfing, and I read here in your description, you said it was the most complete and comprehensive model of reality that you had ever read up to that point. So let me start. Tell me what is the core principle? If there is one core principle of reality, transurfing and or anything else you want to offer us an introduction to the book, and then we can take it deeper to where, you know, follow the Who's the first the rabbit hole? Yeah,

Owen Hunt: 9:12

for sure. Well, there is a lot to unpack. I'll do my best to shortcut it, as that's my claim, anyway, but, but, I mean, kind of a lot of it goes to what we were talking about a little bit earlier. Is, is alignment and being truly in alignment with yourself, that your heart, we're two part beings. We have a heart and we have a mind. And they can be buddies. They can work on the same team. Very often they do not work on the same team. The mind has its own set of I guess you could call it software, you know. And the heart has its so in the model, the heart is connect, connected to infinity. So in infinite possibilities exist simultaneously in reality, right? Infinity? Is a mathematical certainty. So because of that, it's less about like trying to create and change reality, and more what the author calls choosing, and the way that we do that is by being in alignment, by having our heart and mind on the same team. And he says, When you identify your true goal, it turns your life into a celebration. And so the key point there is when you identify your true goal, so it's not necessarily by attaining it. And this is why people are so process focused, right? Like it's not about the destination, it's about the journey. And some of these more maybe cliche truths shed in a different light, but it's once you do see the thing that you are really excited about sharing, and you're passionate about you have curiosity for at that point your life, you get excited, you get motivated. And this sort of happens naturally, as opposed to forcing yourself through a bunch of drudgery, which the mind would if the mind is leading, then the mind is going to be like, oh, we need to do this thing because it makes the most sense. It pays the bills. It does this and blah, blah, blah. Now this doesn't mean that you completely devalue your mind. The problem is is the mind is not supposed to lead. The mind should follow and figure out logistics. The mind is capable, as the author says, of taking old bricks and turning it into a new structure, but it can't create anything new of itself. All new discoveries come from the heart. All new discoveries come from that infinity space, right? Like, as smart as the smartest person is, they don't discover anything based on what has already been discovered. You know what I mean? Like, they don't they bring something new in from this space that he calls the space of alternatives, or the space of variations, which is synonymous to the dream world in the model, and I think, a lot of other esoteric models, but I had never put that together, either. So that's the main gist. There are some really interesting phenomena that he points out in the book, for instance, the way that energy works and or many of the ways that energy works, energetic informational structures or or entities or pendulums, which are essentially clusters of energy or flows of energy that we often tap into and we lose our own identification because of so an example of that might be a religion or a sports team or a governmental body or political party, once we kind of give ourselves over to one of these structures, we become a different version of ourselves. And instead of really exemplifying who we are at a deep level, we take on the attributes of whatever it is that we're serving. Similar to Emerson, you know, talking about if, if you were, let's say, someone who was a representative of of a certain industry or a certain thought system, then he could tell you what your opinion was going to be before he even asked you, right, because you're really serving whatever that thing is, as opposed to your own. Take your own experience, your own individuality. So it's really about getting back to individuality more than anything else, and identifying the snags and the trip wires that exist that keep us from being our true selves.

Agi Keramidas: 13:22

Thank you for this explanation. The way I I understand what you said about identifying our true goal, or the way you were describing the true goal, the word purpose came to mind. I suppose it is a similar thing, if not the same thing. I see you nodding, but and I know, and I've read, and I felt personally, when you do align with your heart's calling. I might not, I might not necessarily mean the ultimate true goal, but the calling of the moment, you find that you are in flow, that you have enthusiasm, that synchronicities happen. So this, this is great, and as great as it is, I believe it is only the first part, because once I am identifies, I will say my true goal, and actually, we might talk a little bit about how to do that also, but let's say we have identified it. Then what? Because the road to success might not it might not be as easy. So that's what I wanted to ask. How reality transurfing helps in that part. So once I have realized that identified my true goal, my purpose, what? Is the way that I will go there. What tweaks do I need to make? How should I approach things? And also, because you often have used the word reality, and even the book talks about it has the title reality, that's how I would like to hear your thoughts. How to approach that, especially under the prism of reality. I hope my question makes sense. I think it

Owen Hunt: 15:25

does. So let me know if my answer makes it and we can. We can iterate if it doesn't, but I think I know what you're asking, and essentially what the author talks about in the book is that there's a constant flow of options and alternatives coming into this reality here in the third dimensional space, if we want to call it, that material reality, from the infinite space, or the space of variations, the dream world, whatever you want to call it. And so you could think of this life as kind of a movie, right? Like we're moving through time. So as we're doing that, what we're what our sort of job is, is to key off of the flow of alternates and to read the signs that are taking us to our ultimate goal. And there's a couple of things. First of all, we must take action that's absolutely essential. You know, there's a lot of people in spirituality that are just like, do meditation, do meditation. And there's nothing wrong with meditating. Meditating is good. It's good to be present. But the point of being present is not to just basically surrender to the moment and be a victim. The point of being present is to be able to compose the frame and work toward your goal, toward your end goal, and so as you're taking those actions, you read the flow, and then you take what action seems like the best for you. He calls it the rustle of the morning stars. It's like when your heart just knows something, when you just internally know something, then you do that thing. And so you move toward that and every action that you take, you celebrate the action. And that's kind of a similar idea as the Bhagavad Gita, but, but basically, you take the action, you celebrate that action, if, if you get the result great, if you don't even better, the flow is still taking you to your goal. And so you have that sort of of an approach where it doesn't really matter, everything's unfolding exactly as it should. So you keep that perspective and that frame in mind as you take action toward your goal, you have no choice but to get to it anyway. And you know, sometimes you might it might take a while, and that's all right, you're not in a hurry because you've already identified your true goal, and your life's a celebration now because you're pursuing it.

Agi Keramidas: 18:28

I completely agree goes without saying with the action that you say that it's necessary to take action it. I think that is obvious for me and for men. I know it's not often, but sometimes it's portrayed like all you need to do is ask and nothing to do and you will receive. Of course, that is not the case. The other thing you said, you talked about reading the signs along the way. So I would like to hear a bit more about this. Tell me a bit more about reading the signs.

Owen Hunt: 19:06

Sure. So in our heart, we either feel comfortable or discomfort or discomfort whenever we consider something. So one test you could do is to flip a coin, and then whatever the coin comes up, see how you feel. You know what I'm saying, like, like, if it comes on heads, I'm gonna do it. If it goes on tails, I'm not gonna do it. And then it comes on tails, and you're like, Oh, I've kind of wanted to do it. Now, you know what you wanted to do, right? You just got to trick yourself. You can do muscle testing and stuff as well, but, but the heart is very binary. Your intuition is very yes or no, and if it's a maybe that means no. So it should feel internally like, yes, absolutely this, and then it should be in alignment with the mind as well. Like, okay, this makes sense, right? But that should be secondary from the intuition of the heart or the soul or, you know, those are synonymous terms, but, um, but yeah, that's basically the gist is that you're going off of your intuition and how it feels to you, and that's your first and most important point of contact. And then you take that information, and then you use your mind to filter it, and then you decide whether or not it's the appropriate time to take action or not. And so a big part of it is, is being present, being able to be calm and patient in the flow and know that you know these options are going to open up. And then you just take action when the door opens, as opposed to trying to force it open. And you listen to your your intuition on which Direct. To go when there are opportunities available, and if it doesn't feel good, then you don't do it. You know, it's as simple as that. So that's kind of how we're keying off of the site. And those may come up to for different people in different ways. You know, some people see a, you know, a different kind of thing in in their mind, or have a different type of a feeling about it, or maybe even see something in reality that or overhear something that's like, oh, that, that you hear, overhear someone say something about something you've been thinking about, and it's a strange synchronicity. So, you know, little things like that can help us lead to that, that flow, that path. You know, it's like a breadcrumb trail a bit. You know where it's like you follow the next breadcrumb and the next one. But if you're thinking about it in a traffic analogy, you know, you're behind a car, maybe, and you're trying to get through all the traffic. You're looking in front of you, but you're also looking down the street too, to be like, Okay, well, if I pass this guy, then I'll go around the next one and on right. And so you're seeing where you are and where you're going, and then keying off the options in the moment that you have, and then you just simply just check your own feelings about it. Or you can muscle test couple different ways to muscle test about a decision, and then you can take it that way, because I think that's going to show up in your body as much as it will, you know, in your in your mind or in your heart.

Agi Keramidas: 22:13

I believe it does, and learning to listen to it, that is a different topic. I liked very much you. You talked about celebrating the action regardless of whether you get the outcome you wanted or not, and this is an art in itself, being able to do that. What I wanted to ask is, obviously, it does get easier, shall we say, to celebrate when you actually get what you want. How do you propose, or does the book refer to dealing with, let's say not, fulfillment of the outcome, or I would use it in quotation marks, failure, or, you know, on things don't go the way that we wanted to go, is there some kind of technique or mindset tweak or something else that can guide you through that, perhaps difficult or even dark time? Because, and I will speak from my experience, these are the times when the voice of the mind becomes way much more loud, and no matter how much you want to listen to the heart that you normally do, the fears and Everything that comes up becomes very, let's say, persuasive. So what, what do you propose with dealing with something like that?

Owen Hunt: 23:54

Yeah, that's a great question, and it's something that, yeah, it takes a lot of practice to start to work with that. And that's why it's a that's why it's

Agi Keramidas: 24:04

practice indeed. Yeah, the

Owen Hunt: 24:05

mind is gonna it's gonna do what it's gonna do. It is very loud and the heart is generally quiet. So we have to learn how to put the mind at ease. And that's what a lot of the book talks about with some of the elements of reality and how it works. So what it kind of does is it kind of helps us, you know, see things in a different way, so that we're not trying to control so much. It's really about coordination more than anything else. That would be the the word that's, that's the one there. Because if you're, you know, if you're cocky or confident, that's not really in balance. And then if you're, you know, insecure, that's out of balance. And so to be kind of neutral in the thing, and understand that your mind can't know everything. It's always going to try to get control over a situation, try to control things and people. But as soon as that happens, you're in a an agenda, you know. And so that agenda is not going to be generally rewarded energetically, especially by people, you know. They're going to sense that off of you immediately. So So you want to just stay open as much as you can in the flow, and when certain circumstances don't unfold the way you thought they should, that doesn't mean that you've failed. It just means that you need to iterate and tweak your process a little bit and stay focused. It's it's an opportunity to to to solve a problem. And the problems that come along, they don't have to be complicated. There can be very simple solutions to complex problems that pop up in an instant, but the most important thing is to stay calm and not get into cortisol, because something didn't go exactly like you thought it should, and that's the. Mind. That's the mind always trying to have control over things. But once you start to see this sort of work in reality, it's like riding a bike, you know, like, at first I need some training wheels, and then, you know, Dad's on the back and he's pushing you or whatever, but before you know it, you're tearing off going through the neighborhood, right? And so if you never saw a bike before, and then all of a sudden you saw one you'd never seen anyone ride it. You might be like, I don't know how that's even possible to do, but then you see it happen, and then when you see it happen, your own reality and you actually do it well, it becomes easier and easier for the mind to kind of calm down and stop trying to control every single outcome. That's the biggest block, I think, is that we have this very specific image in our head, and we try to make reality conform to it, when instead, what we need to do is create that image and the feeling that accompanies it, and then broadcast that feeling out to the universe, which is a mirror, which will reflect it back to us, and it won't necessarily look exactly like we pictured in our mind. Maybe it will sometimes, I don't know, for me, it never really has, but that's not the point. The point is the essence of it, the essence of the goal, what it what it represents, and how it feels, not necessarily a specific range of expression where every little detail matches this idea that we had in our head.

Agi Keramidas: 27:15

So you're saying that broadcasting the feeling rather than the image of you know what we want to achieve or be or do or have? Yes,

Owen Hunt: 27:28

I am. I think the image, the point of the image, is to evoke the emit, the feeling, Yeah, correct. I believe so.

Agi Keramidas: 27:37

I agree. Sounds very, very intuitively. It sounds very correct. There Was You mentioned a couple of times about the heart and the mind working either collaborating or not working together, and you talk about an analogy with the car and the driver. So tell me, share this with us, because I think it's something very useful as analogies. Very much help. Yeah, sure.

Owen Hunt: 28:12

I love this analogy. So yeah, if you've driven a car, you know, you've got someone driving in the driver's seat and someone in the passenger seat riding what we call shotgun here in the States, but the heart should be the driver of the car and leading where it is that you're going. It should be something where you know internally, at a deep level, what it is that you're doing and why you're doing it. You have that true north pointing in that direction, and that's leading you in the direction that you're going, whereas the mind is like the Navigator. It's reading the map back when we had them, you know, the mind is the GPS. Maybe, you know, like pinging off of the different options in the flow and being like, Oh, this will be the most practical path to get there. So our mind is great. It just needs to take its rightful place in the passenger seat, helping the heart to navigate what it wants. And that's, I think, one of the biggest stumbling blocks, is that we often put, you know, the logic in front. And I'll be real honest and say, I don't think we really do much of anything from a logical place. Even people who assume that they're logical really aren't that logical. They're mostly making emotional and impulsive decisions and then justifying it with logic already anyway. So I think it helps to acknowledge that fact and just say, Okay, what is it that I do really want? Like, what is that thing? What am I passionate about? What am I truly curious about? Like, where's my curiosity guiding me? And how can I open up and accept that. So that's where, that's, yeah, that's the analogy in general, the heart should be the driver and the mind the navigator, playing, you know, co Captain, you know, right second, second, command.

Agi Keramidas: 30:03

That's great, own what? What's one practical thing that you can advise our listeners a mastery seeker right now that based on what the conversation that we had so far, what's something that the listener can do today or tomorrow towards what we have been talking about, alignment and so on. Sure

Owen Hunt: 30:31

I would say, Okay, I'll give a really simple exercise. You could just make a two column list and then write down what your heart wants, what you might like, you know, bucket list items, things that are interesting to you. I mean, take as much time as you need write. 2030, 4050, things, whatever on one column, like heart. This is what brings me joy. This is what I like, walking, gardening. You know, it doesn't matter, actions, activities, even things, objects that you you know your heart likes. Write that on one side of the piece of paper, and then on the other side, make a mind column, and then write down all the things that your mind is challenged by and enjoys, if that's chess or, you know, remodeling homes or whatever. And then start to see where those two things line up, see what activities that your heart and mind have in common. And then you get a little bit more of insight into yourself and and what is in, you know, congruence with you, you might find some surprises in there. Hearts are kind of kinky, I'll be honest.

Agi Keramidas: 31:34

Because once one takes the the time and invest the time to actually do these kinds of exercises carefully. And you know, there are surprises that come, there are tears that might come. There are so many realizations. And as you can probably tell, I'm talking about from experience. Owen, where do you want to direct the listener of this conversation that wants to find out more about you and what you do and how to help Sure,

Owen Hunt: 32:14

yeah, I have a website that has pretty much all that information on it there. It's probably the most convenient place to find some things. I've got quite a few gifts and freebies and things like that on the website, and then I've got links to everything else on my social media and all that. It's just Bootsy greenwood.com you can also find me on YouTube. I make a lot of videos there at Bootsy Greenwood, and then Instagram, at Bootsy Greenwood. Bootsie Greenwood is my handle on social media, so if you're looking for me, that's where you can find me. And it's pretty much across all platforms. So yeah, website bootsygrewood.com and then Bootsie Greenwood on the internets. Thank you.

Agi Keramidas: 32:56

That's great. And before I have a couple of final quick questions to ask you, I still have one more about the book. We're talking about a quick one, and that's it. If you had to explain the concept of reality transaction to a 10 year old, how would you simplified it so that the child could get something and do something with their life?

Owen Hunt: 33:23

Probably the 10 year old, the 10 year old could teach me better than I can teach the 10 year old. You know, I honestly believe that. I mean, that's kind of what I'm sort of attempting to do with all this stuff, because it is a pretty there are a lot of different ideas in the book that are presented, but ultimately, it's really about being your best self and giving your gift to the world. And so if that's something that people are interested in, they want to learn how they can win and also benefit the rest of society humanity, that's what it's about. It's a win, win. It's finding your finding the best thing that you can do, and doing that for as many people as you can,

Agi Keramidas: 34:11

and a couple of final quick questions on for you. And the first one is, what does personal development mean to you?

Owen Hunt: 34:23

Well, personal development is really important to me. I think we're always going into development or degradation, so it's essential if you want to continue to develop, to put energy and effort into it. And it gets hard. Sometimes it's not always easy, but it's a lifestyle. Personal development is a lifestyle. It's not something that you sit down and do one time, it's something that you have to be consistent with and continue to move down the road, you know? So that's what personal development is. To me. It's a, it's a challenge, it's a necessity. It's like moving around, going to the gym, whatever fill in the blank that you need to do, writing, whatever it is that you do. It's, it's, it's a, it's, it's a no, non negotiable and

Agi Keramidas: 35:10

hypothetical question. If you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give him

Owen Hunt: 35:19

so many pieces of advice you

Agi Keramidas: 35:21

can only have one.

Owen Hunt: 35:26

Yeah, don't go to college. Oh, my God. I had a great time. I have no regrets, but if I could go back to my 18 year old self, I'd be like, Dude, you know, just don't even go. Don't go to don't pay all that money. You.

Agi Keramidas: 35:46

Owen, I want to thank you very much for this fascinating conversation. I enjoyed very much, and there were some insights there. So I appreciate you very much for this. I want to wish you all the very best with your journey and your mission. I will leave it to you for your final part in wisdom.

Owen Hunt: 36:08

Oh, don't take this stuff too seriously. You know, we're all gonna die anyway. And try to keep that in mind and just try to have as much fun. I mean, like I said, kind of like I said, I was a pleasure seeker before I learned all this. And I think that people, we kind of come in a circle and around like a spiral. As we as we grow, we go out and it's okay to enjoy life. It's okay to have fun. You know, this stuff is important, but it's not so serious. Life is a cosmic joke, and let's find ways to enjoy it as much as possible. So I want people to, yeah, find their joy and their bliss and follow that and yeah, if I can help in any way more than happy to much love.

Agi Keramidas: 37:00

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