#536 Why Knowledge Alone Won’t Awaken Your Consciousness, And How to Shift Into Flow for Deeper Personal Growth, with Daphne Michaels.

What if the key to living with clarity, creativity, and deep connection was already within you, just waiting to be awakened?

In today’s fast-paced world, it’s easy to feel boxed in by stress, ego, and daily demands. This episode explores how to move beyond that “small box” living and step into a higher state of consciousness: one that helps you reconnect with yourself, others, and the universe in practical and transformative ways.

• Discover how to recognize and cultivate moments of higher awareness in your everyday life.
• Learn about the three “fields of consciousness” and how they impact your energy, flow, and sense of alignment.
• Gain practical tools for navigating challenges without losing touch with your deeper purpose and potential.

Press play now to learn how to expand your consciousness, unlock your energetic potential, and start living with more flow, clarity, and joy.

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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:

00:10 - Podcast Introduction and Guest Introduction

02:39 - Understanding Ultra-Conscious Living

06:04 - Practical Approaches to Expanding Consciousness

15:31 - Three Fields of Consciousness

22:33 - Beyond Flow: Spacelessness and Connection

28:20 - Experiential Knowledge and Personal Growth

29:14 - Personal Development and Life Advice

30:55 - Closing Remarks and Farewell

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MEMORABLE QUOTE:

"Just keep going—your time will come."

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VALUABLE RESOURCES:

Daphne's website: https://daphnemichaels.com/

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Transcript

Agi Keramidas: 0:00

Agi, why knowledge alone won't awaken your consciousness, and how to shift into flow. Welcome to personal development mastery, the podcast that helps intelligent, busy professionals gain clarity and take aligned action so you can thrive in a fulfilling, purposeful life. I'm your host, Agi Keramidas. Join us every Monday for an insightful conversation with a guest, and each Thursday for a shorter episode where I reflect and share with you. This is episode 536 if you are looking to expand your consciousness and live with greater flow and clarity. This conversation explores how to cultivate higher states of awareness in practical, everyday ways. By listening today, you are going to discover how to recognise and cultivate moments of higher awareness in your everyday life. You will also learn about the three fields of consciousness and gain practical tools for navigating challenges. If you are tired of feeling stressed and want to reconnect with your true potential. Then this episode is for you before we start. If you are in a life or career transition and resonate with the topics we discuss here, I offer one to one coaching and mentoring to help you get clear, reconnect with what truly matters and move ahead with confidence. If you are curious to explore what that could look like for you, visit personal development mastery podcast.com/mentor, or just have the link you will find in the show notes. Now, let's get started today. It is my real pleasure to speak with Daphne. Michaels, Daphne, you are a human potential expert, Best Selling Author and guide in the realm of ultra conscious living. You have decades of experience as a licenced psychotherapist and a deep background in behavioural science and energetic healing, you are passionate about guiding people to elevate their consciousness, awaken their energetic potential and live with alignment, clarity and purpose. Daphne, it's a real pleasure to have you on the show today. Welcome.

Daphne Michaels: 2:39

Thank you so much for having me pleasure to be here, and

Agi Keramidas: 2:45

I am pronouncing your name in probably a way that you're not much used to it. But as I told you, because it is a Greek name, and I would call it rafni If it was Greek, so I'm kind of in between pronunciations when I like

Daphne Michaels: 3:03

different pronunciations, it's perfect. That's

Agi Keramidas: 3:06

great. Daphne, I will start straight away with something that intrigues me, even by that short introduction of you that I gave you speak about Ultra conscious living. Tell us, what does that look like in the context of the busy modern life that many of us, or certainly the people listening, are living?

Daphne Michaels: 3:31

Thank you for asking that question. I think this is a key question that each one of us should be looking at in terms of how we are living our lives in ordinary reality. We are boxed into a very small framework, and it's generally through the lens of our ego. And I know that's a big concept, and we can talk about that, but generally speaking, what that means is that we're living in boxes that are too small for us. There's no room for creativity. There's no room for real, heartfelt connection to ourselves and one another. So Ultra consciousness is an interesting term because it was invented in the early 1900s and this term was invented by Henry LaFontaine, who was a Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, and Paul Otlet, who was the head of information science. He was the father of information science. He invented the Dewey Decimal System in the early 1900s they said, We want to catalogue all human experience. And they came up with the term Ultra consciousness to describe a type of experience when people have. Have an elevated, cosmic, instantaneous, cosmic connection. And they said this surpasses mere self awareness, and it takes us to a connection with the cosmos, with the universe. I think that is fascinating that they said that in the early 1900s and what they said was that this was very rare. 100 years later, it's not rare anymore. Many, many of us are are expanding our consciousness to become more of who we're meant to be. So what it means is relearning how to be who we really are in an expanded state of consciousness, connected to the cosmos, connected to the creativity of life and living this out in our daily lives.

Agi Keramidas: 6:04

Thank you. There is you mentioned. You said instantaneous, cosmic connection. I think that was the phrase that you used, and also expanding our consciousness. My question is, for I understand the description. I mean, I get it, especially when you said the term instantaneous, cosmic connection, in my mind, the phrase spiritual awakening, or some kind of, you know, evolution of the spiritual path came to my mind. My question is, how does one, let's say, walk that path, if they are not there, how can one start directing to that? You know, expansion of the consciousness, as you said.

Daphne Michaels: 7:06

So I think that's a really good point. In the early 1900s when the term first came about, they talked about an instantaneous connection. However, nobody can hold on to that state of consciousness. 24/7, even people who have that consciousness and actually have what's called a spiritual awakening or a conversion experience, they're not going to be able to hold on to it, because at the moment, they walk into their everyday world, their defence structure is going to reactivate, and so they're going to be right back into the consciousness of that small box. So it's not a matter of attaining a state of consciousness that we get to enjoy. 24/7 it's a matter of recognising that consciousness and beginning to develop pathways that allow us in our own being, to live more and more connected in this way. And I can give you an example. I think everybody has had an experience of connection. Maybe it was connection to a loved one. Maybe it was a time in nature. Maybe this beautiful, sacred connection came in a dream, but the experience in our body, the actual experience, it shifts our vibration, and through this shift of our vibration, we enter an elevated consciousness. So when you have those moments, those are moments not to ignore. Those are moments to cultivate.

Agi Keramidas: 9:05

Thank you. I took note, and I think it's important, and I will repeat it, it's but that it's not about attaining a certain state of consciousness. I think that is, I don't know, probably a misunderstanding. Perhaps the way that I asked it means that others might have the same exact misconception. Perhaps. So let's talk more about cultivating as you said these moments. How does one recognise them and how perhaps I would ask you to tell us something in a practical sense, to cultivate them, because I get it, and it does make sense. You know. A very well that for many people, the the missing link in doing these things or elevating or taking some kind of action, so they just accumulate knowledge, doing nothing with it. So I would like to hear more about the cultivation.

Daphne Michaels: 10:20

Yeah. So first of all, I agree with you that if it's not practical, it's not helpful. And so my work has always been about taking people to an expanded state of consciousness, which is natural to our being, and then looking at how we can practically bring it into our life. And so let me say this, though, because there is a framework to it that becomes important in this way. And so quantum mechanics, that may be a word that people are hearing more and more about when it comes to personal development, but basically there is now a complete thought around how spirituality and science are coming together. And so there are many people on a spiritual path who embrace the idea that what quantum physicists are talking about in terms of energy, in terms of living with a state of vibration, is actually a spiritual path that the one in the same and so when You look at that, we understand that in quantum theory, there are actually different dimensions to experience. There's 11 dimensions in their theory. So what I've done is I've tried to figure out, okay, from a human perspective, what are those dimensions, because that's the answer to helping us understand how to walk a higher consciousness path. And so the first dimension, or what I call the first field, is that ordinary reality that's filled with trauma and drama, and it's scary. It's a scary place to live, but people live there most of the time. But a higher dimension is when we are in a protected environment, so that may be with friends or loved ones or in our own homes or in nature or a sanctuary, our ego literally relaxes so that we can remember more of these higher states of consciousness. So those are just two fields out of a big model that make a tremendous difference when people are trying to walk this path. So when it comes to calibrating, the calibration happens in the second field. It doesn't happen in the first field. So the first field is going to challenge us to live in a fragmented way. We're going to be fragmented, because that's what the first field does. It makes us a little crazy, and it does not bring out the best in us, but when we're around loved ones and we're around friends, we relax, and it starts to bring out the best in us from those moments, that's a calibration we're recalibrating. So we take those organic experiences, and if we begin to develop them, we realise that those are states of consciousness that really support us. What else? Brings this out. Standing under starlight, brings this out in so many people watching the sun come up in the morning, brings this out in so many people connecting with nature, brings this out. So we begin to learn how to balance the first field, which we have to be in so much of the time, with this second field of healing, restoration and recalibration to our true essence. And as we do this, we begin to develop the actual energy field, the actual electromagnetic energy field that allows us to go back into the world, but not in the first field, in what I call the third field, which is flow. And people are talking about flow these days, and that's when magical things happen. We attract what we need. It's the law of attraction. It's It's fun, it's fulfilling. We're back in the world, but we're in the world on a higher bandwidth, and this is something we can literally develop by becoming more connected to ourselves and more connected to the universe.

Agi Keramidas: 15:31

This is wonderful. And I had the question when you were saying about the first dimension and the trauma, is it? Of course, I get that in the second one, which is, as you said, being in a protective environment that will relax your ego, as you said, and allow that calibration to happen. Apart from, you know, being in a protective environment. Is there anything else we need to do about that first dimension? Or just, you know, focus on being in the second dimension so that we can move on.

Unknown: 16:10

So in the first dimension, we need to survive and and, kind of, you know, be in it, but not of

Agi Keramidas: 16:22

it. You know, we need to solve anything unresolved in that dimension. Probably that's more accurately, the question I wanted to ask.

Daphne Michaels: 16:31

So, do you mean trying to change the dynamics of the first dimension, or change ourself in

Agi Keramidas: 16:38

it? Change ourself in it?

Daphne Michaels: 16:41

Absolutely, that's a great question. I love that question. We have to become smarter than the first field. And the thing is, is that the first field is literally seven year olds trying to coexist, right? Because it is the ego, right? Everybody in the first field is operating from a very young programming. And so it is a lot of seven year olds trying to coexist. And it's really easy to go down the rabbit hole being angry and being upset and being, you know, traumatised and all of these things. When we bring more awareness to ourselves, watching ourselves in the first field, we say, Don't do that. Don't say that. Don't send that. Don't step into it. We live with greater awareness of how to not get caught up in the first field, because once we get caught up in the first field, our own energy is again fragmented, and we can't shift to the second field, right? I mean, so many people go home and collapse at night. They're not enjoying their evenings, right? They're just getting to the door, and then they're oftentimes processing the day with their partner, and everybody's feeling terrible about it, and nobody can get to the second field. So so when we live in the first field lightly and we try to navigate it and not get caught up in it, and use our higher coping skills to manage it, then we step into the door of our own time, and it's just a very small shift to move into this higher dimension. So we don't want to get too deep. We want to keep on the edge of the first field as much as possible. Okay,

Agi Keramidas: 19:01

that's great. Thank you. And what would you say then to someone who has experienced what you described as the third field, you said flow, and I think most people can connect with that, or I don't think you use the word synchronicities, but also that what came to my mind when you were describing so let's say someone listening has experienced that dimension on and off at times, stepping back again to you know, the lower if I can use that phrase, the lower dimensions, what would you say to him or her in order to, let's say, maintain more presence in that flow situation.

Daphne Michaels: 19:56

The thing with flow is that it. Is literally waves of potential that we are, that we're writing. And once again, science and spirituality come together here and tell us that we live in a universe of potential, and when we're on that wave of flow, we have potential in our hands, and a lot of people don't use it. A lot of people just say, Oh, that was a really great day, but they don't lean into it and begin to unfold it. So the way to stay in flow is to become an active participant in shaping our lives, which means leaning in. It means following up on those connections. It means dreaming. It means believing and following it.

Agi Keramidas: 20:58

Thank you. The phrase you used, leaning into the potential. I think that describes it perfectly. Even, you know, when I imagine someone leaning into it means there is a movement towards that

Daphne Michaels: 21:13

direction. Yes, it is not passive. It's co creative. And you think about a surfer on the water, and if they're not navigating the surf, they're going to fall off the board. The surf isn't just carrying them. It's not a passive ride. And so that's the same with flow. It's not a passive ride. So when we learn to surf those waves and lean into the portals that open for us, then we're creating a magical life.

Agi Keramidas: 21:47

I like very much the analogy when we talk about flow and then surfing, because the water can be very rough. Some people think flow is something very smooth and easy, but not necessarily, definitely. I'm curious, even though it's probably beyond the scope of this conversation, at least, how it's been so far. But I would still like to hear a bit more about the following dimension after, you know, believing in this flow or having developed the energy field to a certain extent, what is next?

Daphne Michaels: 22:33

Okay, yes, the so I mostly have developed the first five fields, and that's what I teach. And there are fields beyond that that I have a pretty good idea about what they are, but the first five I've actually developed quite a lot so so beyond the third field, beyond flow, is spacelessness. And so basically, as our vibration gets higher and we're tapping into higher levels of ultra consciousness, we actually begin to connect beyond our physical environment. We begin to experience how we can experience people, like, for instance, loved ones who are in a different location and but we're still connected, or we're able to send energy or prayers or whatever through these fields of energy, and they actually land for people. So one of the reasons that this is so awesome is because it it helps develop intimacy. So let's just take let's take a couple, for example, and let's say they have this really great connection, and then they say goodbye for the day, and then they don't feel connected during the day. It's a complete disconnect. And so they're not really sure what the other person is feeling or how their day is going, or anything like that. And then they come back together, and they're not in sync, right? Because they had really separate days when we're in the fourth field, we're in sync whether we're with the person or not, if we care about people, we're in sync with them, whether we're whether we're there. And so this opens up this whole way of understanding that consciousness work is leading us toward unity. Consciousness, we're not separated. We're connected.

Agi Keramidas: 24:55

Thank you. How important. Tant it is, well, I suppose I'm trying to think the best way to phrase this question. You know, there is in matters like this, when one speaks of abstract concepts like some of the ones that we have been describing, there is a distinct difference between being able to comprehend or even believing intellectually in these concepts and agreeing with them on a belief level. And there is a completely different matter when you have experiential knowledge. Of you said earlier, you know the, what was it, the cosmic connection, or something like this, which I believe, I suppose, it's another thing to talk about it, or believe that, yes, of course, we are all connected, and another thing to actually live it and experience it. So how important is that? And is it something for one to aim for, in order, you know, to advance the spiritual journey?

Daphne Michaels: 26:10

Yes, it's important to aim for the experience. And I have worked with people who really didn't think any of this existed. They thought that people that were talking about it were lying for some reason, for some reason, maybe they thought it made them feel better to lie about it or something. However, I have watched people go from non belief to belief, because once we learn the concepts and once we accept the the mystery, once we step into the mystery, our human consciousness takes us to the experience I had a I had somebody in one of my groups, and it was before lunch, and we were all talking about the connection to nature, and they told me later that they did not they didn't Get it. They didn't get they to them. Nature was just something that was out there. But they went home for lunch, and they were eating lunch, and they said, all of a sudden, this little bird showed up at the window, and the little bird was so cute, and they were transfixed by this bird. And then all of a sudden, their heart opened. They felt the connection, and they got it for the first time. So once we say to ourselves, I want to experience it. I I honestly want to open my heart and my mind to the possibility our human consciousness will take us to the experience, and then we have to be we have to be brave, because for a lot of people, it scares them. Of course,

Agi Keramidas: 28:20

that's a huge topic on its own. I think we could have an entire conversation about, you know, letting go and surrender and all these things. This is wonderful, definitely. Thank you very much. As I will start wrapping things up in a little bit. The first thing I wanted to ask you is, where do you want to direct the listener of this conversation that wants to learn more about you?

Daphne Michaels: 28:50

My Website, Daphne michaels.com, there's a free event that I offer, which is super fun. It's called the Shib experience, where I work with your energy, work with your energy blocks, and you know, it's a good time as a small group. So that would be a great place to start.

Agi Keramidas: 29:15

Thank you. That's great. And I also have definitely two final, quick questions that I always ask. And the first one is, what does personal development mean to you?

Daphne Michaels: 29:30

Personal Development is about taking full responsibility for the actualization of our potential.

Agi Keramidas: 29:42

Very nicely put Thank you. That's great and very succinct and very whole comes to mind, very inclusive of many concepts, thank you. And the hypothetical question, if you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give? Forget.

Daphne Michaels: 30:02

I would say, just keep going. Your time will come. Because I've been on this path since I was 19, and for a long time I didn't feel like I belonged anywhere. But now everybody is getting it, it seems, and I could not be happier.

Agi Keramidas: 30:27

Thank you. Daphne, I want to thank you very much for this conversation. I enjoyed it very much, and I think there have been many How can I put it, perhaps practical elements that have come out of this conversation. So I appreciate very much. I want to wish you all the very best with everything that you do and to carry on doing.

Daphne Michaels: 30:56

Thank you so much. I will leave it to you for

Agi Keramidas: 30:59

your parting words and any years, anything else you want to tell the listener?

Daphne Michaels: 31:06

Well, I can tell you that this has been a wonderful conversation. I even though you're in a different part of the world, and of course, we're here, you know, through technology, but I can still feel the the energy and the like minded vision. So I really appreciate that, and I don't think there's anything better than coming together with people on this path. So thank you so much.

Agi Keramidas: 31:36

Thank you for listening to this conversation with Daphne Michaels. I hope it has given you a fresh perspective on how to move beyond limitation and step into a more connected and fulfilling way of living. If this conversation inspired you, helped you or gave you something meaningful, consider supporting the show. It's like, buy me a coffee in return for the value you received. Visit personal development mastery podcast.com/support or just up the link you will find in the episode description. As a thank you, I will send you a small gift and mention you in a future episode until next time stand out. Don't fit in