Why the 'Messy Middle' of Transition Feels Overwhelming and How to Start Living Authentically, with Becca Eve Young | #540

Have you ever looked like you had it all on the outside (career, success), yet deep down felt unfulfilled?

In a world that celebrates achievement and appearances, many high performers silently wrestle with self-doubt, burnout, and the aching sense that they’re living someone else’s script. This episode dives deep into that “messy middle”, the uncertain and often painful space between who you were and who you're becoming, and shows how to navigate it with courage, authenticity, and trust in your inner voice.

• Discover how to recognize the subtle whispers of your inner knowing and why awareness is always the first step in any true transformation.
• Learn why self-doubt often spikes during major life transitions and how to build self-trust through micro-moments of personal alignment.
• Hear Becca’s own powerful story of hitting rock bottom, experiencing a spiritual awakening, and rebuilding her life from the inside out.

If you’re at a crossroads in life or feel stuck between chapters, this episode will inspire you to pause, reconnect with your inner compass, and step into your most authentic self—press play now.

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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:

02:50 - Exploring the Starting Point of Personal Reinvention

06:12 - Becca's Personal Journey of Awareness and Transformation

15:12 - Understanding the "Messy Middle" of Life Transitions

18:48 - Navigating Self-Doubt and Building Self-Trust

24:22 - Practical Tools for Overcoming Self-Doubt

32:37 - Connecting with Becca and Book Information

33:38 - Personal Development and Advice to Younger Self

36:51 - Final Wisdom for Those in Transition

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MEMORABLE QUOTE:

"Stop performing."

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VALUABLE RESOURCES:

Becca Eve's website: https://www.beccaeveyoung.com/

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Coaching with Agi: https://personaldevelopmentmasterypodcast.com/mentor

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Message Agi on PodMatch: https://www.podmatch.com/member/personaldevelopmentmastery

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Transcript

Agi Keramidas: 0:00

The messy middle of transition, why it feels overwhelming, and how to stop performing and start living authentically. Welcome to personal development mastery. The podcast for intelligent, busy professionals who've achieved success but feel something is missing, and are seeking clarity, purpose and fulfilment. Each episode helps you grow by inspiring aligned action through practical insights you can actually use. I'm your host. Agi Keramidas Join us every Monday for an insightful conversation with a guest, and it's Thursday for a shorter episode where I reflect and share with you. This is episode 540 if you are feeling stuck between chapters of your life and unsure of your next step. Then this episode is for you. By listening, you will learn why self doubt often intensifies during major life transitions, and how to build self trust when you need it the most. Before we start, if you resonate with the topics we discuss on the podcast, and you are navigating a transition, or perhaps feeling cold to a next chapter that is more purposeful and intentional, I offer one to one coaching and mentoring to help You get clear, reconnect with what truly matters and move ahead with confidence to explore what that could look like for you, visit personal development mastery podcast.com/mentor or just up the link in the show notes. Now let's get started. My guest today is Becca Eve, Young. Becca Eve, you are a former corporate strategist who turned transformational coach and soulful storyteller. You walked away from the societal suits and rebuilt your life from the inside out. You are the author of it's gonna get messy, and you are passionate about guiding others through the quote, unquote, messy middle, which is the uncertain seasons of identity, shifts, healing self, trust and reinvention so people can live as their most authentic and soulful selves. Becaev, welcome to the show. It's such a pleasure to speak with you today.

Becca Eve Young: 2:50

Thank you so much. I'm so glad to be here. Lovely to talk with you as well.

Agi Keramidas: 2:55

I'm looking forward to exploring with you today how to navigate life's crossroads with currents. First of all, and you know, the authentic success, rather than the you know what many, many of us have believed that success is straight away, I will, I think I will go in the deep water straight away, for someone listening right now, who looks successful on the outside but feels unfulfilled inside. Where does this reinvention and healing begin with, where is the starting point of it?

Becca Eve Young: 3:46

Yeah, yeah, oh. I love it. I love it. I love going right in. You know, from walking that path myself, and I think so many people aren't, this isn't a new conversation, right of, so, first off, these people are not alone, but you know, so many people have done this path, right of like myself, included the house, the car, the job, the degree, the things, the accumulation. And you're just one day you look around, or maybe it's a series of days, and I would say it begins with awareness. It begins with an absolute knowing that, and sometimes it smacks you right in the face, and sometimes it creeps up on you, but there's no denying the awareness that you feel in your being, that this is not it, and it might come in different whispers of this is not it. This is you're off course. You are miserable. This isn't you. You are pretending. You are wearing masks. You are people pleasing. But all of those. Whispers are an absolute awareness and knowing that what I have been doing, what we have been doing, is not working, and you can't know that, and you can't begin to reinvent until you sit yourself down, or your Higher Self sits yourself down and says, Hey, I'm right here. Might you want to listen to what I have to say.

Agi Keramidas: 5:41

I like how your answer is both very, you know, simple and, on the other hand, very profound, also, because awareness, of course, it is the the answer, yeah, it's not this level of awareness, though, and really recognising this inner voice is not necessarily something that many people are, you know, adept at, or, you know, good at.

Becca Eve Young: 6:12

Yeah, I was, you

Agi Keramidas: 6:18

know. Do you want to tell me about your awareness experience. I read in your story that there was a spiritual or a supernatural, if you want to call it, that experience was that your awareness shift,

Becca Eve Young: 6:34

yeah, yeah. Well, mine, mine was, let's see 2019 to 2022, you know that that's such a powerful period for all of us. Might certainly not myself, only myself, but it was. It began there. It began with having all the things doing, the corporate climb, having the MBA, the house, the cars, the things, the other, the wardrobe, everything, and it was all falling apart. I was my marriage was ending. I lost a dear friend. I was working abroad during the pandemic in Mexico, my I was laid off. The border shut down. I was stranded alone. I had no home to go back to. My friend committed suicide, and I found myself completely alone for the first time in my adult life, with nobody around, no TV, no media, nothing to tune into but myself, and I realised I'm like, How is it possible that in nearly four decades, I had never once tuned in To myself? I had numbed my way through, and so as I sat in my time out from the universe with literally dirt road. You know that the road was covered in dirt, they locked everything down. People were not travelling. There was no airport. They wouldn't allow people to drive. I was literally stranded with myself and in that moment, I got as the universe does, and when you tune into it, little things, little little notes, I began meditating, as so many people know the power of meditation, and the first time I did it, I couldn't even tune into my body. I couldn't even I couldn't even feel a body scan. I was like, This isn't good. This is not good. And so it was meditation. I turned off the media. I was in nature. I was grounding. Someone handed me the power of now, as so many of us get handed that special, special book, and all of a sudden, but not suddenly at all, I just realised, I've, I've been playing and listening and This unwilling actor in this societal script. I'm like, I did not, I did not know I was cast in this play who. I did not sign up for this role and and so we're all a part of this play unknowingly, until we know, and it is the play of this is this one. There's 8 billion souls on this planet, and there's just one form of beauty, there's this one form of success, there's this one form of fulfilment. And it's in media, it's in magazines, it's on billboards, it's everywhere. It's in your ears, it's in your eyes. And you're, they don't call it TV programming for nothing, right? It's all silently behind you, telling you that this is what you should be doing. You should, should, should, should, should, should, should, and all of a sudden, all that turned off, and I'm like, oh, and all these whispers of awareness of myself, my own being, my own internal compass started to turn on. And that's where I started to realise you could, that's where, for me, that awareness where, that's where reinvention begins. And reinvention sounds like this big, you know, mystical, you know, folder that you have to move. But so often in life, you know, it's wildly complicated yet so ridiculously simple. It's so simple and we wildly over complicate everything. We wildly over complicate everything. And so that's where it began for me, but as I experienced all this loss, and as sometimes we have to take down to that, you know, bottom basement moment of on your knees sobbing, snotting out of your face, you're just like, why? You know, help me is in, you know, in that moment. And this is when I thought it was as low as it could get. And I lost my dad on top of all this. And this gets me every time, even five years later, he came to me and took me right out of my body, and showed us, without a shadow of a doubt, where we all come from, what we All are, what we are all made of. And then I naturally asked if I could stay but no, boom, right back into my body. I'm like, and so the story of it's gonna get messy is like, what happened? Like, what happens in that moment, what happens after that moment? And just like rebuilding from the ground up with a total different awareness of who we are, all of us, what we're made of. And how do you how do you embrace? You know purpose, like we don't already have it, or success, or all these material things, when you're very much a spiritual being having an earthly experience.

Agi Keramidas: 13:18

Thank you This powerful story, and thank you for sharing it in the way that you did. You know there was one, one phrase you said about there being an unwilling actor in the in the script. And I think that metaphor of playing a role, a specific role, on a specific perhaps theatre, if you want, when you start looking at life like this, it for me, I personally find it, it is a good way from detaching to from, you know, identifying with the actual role. So I can see a little bit on the outside, like Agi playing, you know, the actor of doing that. So that's thank you for that metaphor of the, you know, unwilling actors.

Becca Eve Young: 14:14

Yeah, yeah. It gives you a little separation, right? You can say, because you could, and that's what meditation does for so many people. It gives you that little bit of pause between pause between your essence and your mind to actually pause and almost see yourself. And you can see yourself with your ego, with your script, with your things, and you're like, hey, what you don't have to read those lines. You know you can, you can go off script.

Agi Keramidas: 15:22

Let's move on now, because this you've already mentioned, the messy bit. So we gone past the stage of awareness and then the journey of the transfer. Mason begins, you call it messy. So tell us, first of all, why is it messy? What's the mess about?

Becca Eve Young: 15:47

Well, of course, being human, you know, we have to put a label on it. I mean, it is the way. But you know, we're all taught to perform. So it goes back to the play, right? We're all taught to perform, and everything that we see on social media and everyone's perfect vacations, you know, where everyone's having the best time ever, but really they are all like screaming at each other five minutes before or crying in the shower. We're all told that perfection is the goal, and that success and looking a certain way and being a certain way is and that we should not be transparent with our emotions, our feelings, our experiences, be raw, be vulnerable, and so it's messy because we're taught that mess is not okay, you know, clean up your room, young man, clean up your mind, young lady. And so this is where all this, you know, doubt and shame comes in, because we're like, Okay, I'm doing the play, I'm reading the script. I'm being a good girl. You know, I'm doing what I should, should be doing. Isn't this good? Aren't I good? But that's but that's not the point. There's 8 billion of us, and we're all perfectly unique beings, and there will never be another you, ever in the history of time and space. So why are you playing this role that's not meant for you and it feels messy because you're like, you're taught just to not play for you, you're taught to play for this one role, this one script, and you feel like you're messy because like you feel like you're deviating, and that's bad, but that's the absolute path. The absolute path is to stop pretending something you're not, and to be exactly the little unique being that you are. And so it's messy, because society says it's messy, but really it's just authentic.

Agi Keramidas: 17:55

That's a very good answer. And it also for me, when I hear the term messy, there is that element of needing some cleaning that is implied when it's a mess. And I think in some ways that is very appropriate, because we need to do some cleaning, some inner cleaning during that messy period. So I wanted to talk to you about this. And in particular, there is, and I believe you can tell me also your own experience, one, something that comes up quite I think, prominently in cases, in situations transitions like this, is self doubt, whether, indeed, living, you know, the previous role was the right thing to do, or even whether you will be able to perform so well in another role. I'm sticking, for some reason, with the analogy of the actor in the role, but I like it, yeah. So tell us about this kind of cleaning and, you know, self doubt. Let's, let's talk about this for for a while.

Becca Eve Young: 19:23

Yes, yes. Oh, man, self doubt is the, is the, the number one, I would say, outcome or effect of ditching the script, of ditching the societal script, because, of course, this is the, this is the role that you've been handed, and you've been told since birth you're meant to play this role, and then all of a sudden you realise, no, I that's that's not true to me. And so, of course, there's mounds of self doubt that pour onto you, because all of a sudden you're not choosing to like, ask outside of yourself for direction, which is what we're all told to do. You're like. You start to actually begin to trust yourself. But it took, it took me years of micro trusts to begin to build that up. And it is, it is it takes time. It takes it takes time. But, I mean, we the thing that we don't get publicised that often. Again. In the media of the perfect realm. I mean, every single human on this planet has self doubt. Beyonce had to come up with an alter ego, Sasha Fierce in order to step on the stage. She was terrified, terrified. So she literally had to go outside of herself, create an alternate reality person avatar in order to get the courage to step out there. Because we're all used to performing. And the beautiful thing is, is if we, as you can see, even through conversations like this, if we stop performing and we allow our authentic selves and our humanity to be seen, there's no need to perform. And then the irony is, through that sharing of the messy, which with my story I can tell you. A year ago, the thought of reading this story made me want to vomit. I was like, There's no way people like, I'm not going to actually publish this. And now I'm like, I don't, I don't care, not in an egoistic way, but it's my truth, and I know that someone else on their journey is going to feel more seen and less alone, and that's the energy that connects all of us. And so as we all, you know, sit in this auditorium, I don't know why we're going with the script thing. I haven't, but this is great. But so you know, as we're in the auditorium with our scripts, and we all, all of a sudden, like, someone sings a little song, and you're like, that was not in the scene. And then also it's like, wow, that was pretty. And then someone else is like, well, I want to, I want to tell a joke, and I, you know, and it's like, that unique expression like that. It's like a flock of birds, right? It's like you can't emulate that. It's stunning. It's beautiful. It's got such frequency to it, and that self doubt is from ignoring your frequency. It's ignoring your rhythm. And as you in these little micro trusts each day. For me, it was sitting with my own mind. It was saying no to the thing that I didn't want to do. It was stopping conversating with the person that you know they're a good human being, but it's somehow like, doesn't feel good. And you're like, Well, I don't want to be mean. I don't want to I should. I should. And it's like, no. Every time you just listen to that little voice, it gets louder, it gets more clear, and the self doubt, the little self doubt metre, starts to slowly. You know it's coming down. And sure, there's moments we're human like, it's not like, oh, I today, I have released self doubt, and it's forever gone. No, but the more that you learn to trust your own frequency, your own rhythm, your own path, then you don't have the self doubt because you're not playing a role you weren't meant to play.

Agi Keramidas: 23:49

Becca, if tell us about tell us a practical tool, because you said about building it up, this ability to trust in yourself, tell us, give us a practical tool that you recommend one can use to actually, you know, build up or, you know, face the self doubts that. And I agree with you that everyone has that it is great to to share that, because it is that don't digress back to that. But it's again, what we're saying earlier on, that it's great to feel that you're not alone, that it's not something that, you know, I have self doubts, but you know, Becca, even Agi, they don't have self doubts. It is not so that's yeah, my self doubt. I will. I want to go back to the question I asked you about, you know, something practical, because it's one thing to say yes, you need to overcome your self doubt, but this little building blocks that would be useful to hear what you recommend.

Becca Eve Young: 24:57

Yeah, yeah, I have, as you've already pointed out, I am a big fan of simplicity and not overly complicating things, and so for me, and I've touched on it already a little bit, but the the number one thing that I could do was learning how to activate this, this, this intuitive compass that we all have, but it's all been numbed out through, you name it. You know, Netflix, drinking numbing plans, being busy, you know, saying yes to things that you don't want. Say yes to and so to, you know, to ditch the self doubt, first, you have to tune into self so you can't even ditch the self doubt until you take the step back and actually connect with yourself. And I hate to be cliche, but there's a reason why we all recommend meditation, because it is the only thing that allows us. I mean, there's there's other things, right, time and nature and walks, but it really allows you to sit with yourself, come into your body when we're all so constantly in our screen and out and in the world. There's so many great apps for this, I use headspace. It's like they have 510, 1520, minute meditations each day, and every morning, I start with a meditation, and it just allows you to come into your body, come into your intuition, and like, hear your own voice, and so you can't ditch yourself out until you know yourself, because then you're throwing things away that you're not connected to. So I can't recommend it enough. It has been, it has been life changing. And I know everyone's, you know, not everyone, but people get scared of meditation. Oh, what a thing. And I'm not going to do it, right? No, no. Meditation is messy. Everyone thinks meditation is this, like Zen state. No, it's a hot mess in there. You're with your mind and the thing, and I sent that email, and this person did the focus. That's meditation, and it's messy for everybody. So coming into self, meditating, getting like, learning to witness your mind and then say, Okay, stop. And that's even 10 minutes a day is magical. So that's for me, like step one. And then when you want to learn to ditch that self doubt, it's, it's really, it's quite simple, because we all learn, okay, oh, I have this big business decision coming up. What should I do? What do you think I should do? Should I do this? Should I do that? Should I do this thing? So we're constantly asking our partners, parents, spouses, friends, lovers, what should I do? Stop doing that? Yes, yes. You can ask your friends for advice, but no one is walking your path. No one has the energy frequency experience past, present, future. We won't talk about what comes before this life, what comes after this life, but this is just, you know, this is, this is your beautiful dream. And so it's tuning into yourself when you have the simplest of things, the simplest of things. Do I want to go to this event? Am I doing it out of people pleasing or what I should or do? I actually want to go and listening to yourself and letting people down around you and just choosing what you know is true for you. It could be as simple as, Do I want to go to this movie? No, I don't do I want to have a coffee or a glass of water. Here. Have a coffee. You know what? Actually, when I drink coffee, it makes me feel anxious, whatever. And saying no to the coffee, I'll have a cup of tea here. Have a glass of wine. You know what? I'm not really feeling that today, but I'll, I'll be the one at the table who decides to have a lemonade. It sounds so silly, but we don't realise how many ways we abandon ourselves each day, in the tiniest of fashions, tiny and so you can make all the big decisions in your life. You can go for that thing, you can go for that job, you can nail it, and you can be like, Yes, look at me. I'm a person of importance like but all those little micro mistrusts all live under the surface, and until you get in there and look at that mess that is a mess, and you allow some of those to be seen, you acknowledge that you abandon yourself in those moments and you've let those little things go, that's where you begin to build that self trust, because you're done abandoning yourself, which we don't realise we do all the time, for people, pleasing, for parents, everybody. And it's as simple as choosing you in those little moments, tiny little things, where you just say, I'm done pleasing everybody else around me. I love you all. Don't get me wrong, but I'm I'm doing what I want.

Agi Keramidas: 30:08

Thank you. It does come down in the end to you know being and knowing yourself and being able to be present and feeling for listening or, you know, understanding what, yeah, the message is, what the the inner wisdom, if you want, is, and that is certainly very. Very important in making the big decisions apart, you know, the the opinions of the experts. Of course, they are valid, but I think you you said it very, very nicely that in the end, it is only you know what is the best for you and but when I say you, I don't mean the ego you, the deeper you, the the higher self you, yes, that part of you, yes,

Becca Eve Young: 31:08

yes, yes. Well, and when I found myself alone in the desert for the first time, living alone for the first time in my life, I literally struggled with it at first. I mean, you know, I had no job, I had no home, I had no place, I had no things. I had, like, literally, it's just me. And I struggled with, you know, I didn't have a schedule, I didn't have a corporate, you know, the whole thing where I'm in meetings all day, and my team and everything. And I'm like, do we want to go for a hike now, and I'm, like, looking around, I'm like, Oh, I guess, do we want to go for a hike? Do we feel like a hike today? You know, like, because you're in this cycle of programming and doing, and this is like, you're on autopilot half the time, and so it's just okay. What do we want for breakfast? Do you not want to do the you know, it's little things like that. The family goes on vacation. You're like, you know what? I love you guys. I see you all the time. And if I go on one more vacation with you, with all my work stress, I'm going to go mental and say, go. I'm set on the stay home, because you feel like you have to please everybody around you and sometimes that, well, at some point that catches up with you, we'll just say

Agi Keramidas: 32:27

definitely yes. And you know, the little things and the little moments, the those days or those hours that we don't do what we would like to do, or we do that. This comprises our life when you think about it, but I've avoid it's really fascinating conversation. I will have to start wrapping things up little by little. I wanted, first of all, I wanted to ask, how can someone listening or watching this can stay in touch with you? What's the next step for them to take, to connect?

Becca Eve Young: 33:12

Yeah, I love connecting. Of course, I have a website, beca eveyoung.com, and there you can find links to my social media. I'm on Instagram is one that I particularly love. And also you can find links there to my book. It's gonna get messy. It comes out September 30. It is the five year anniversary of my dad passing, and it is dedicated to him. And there's, yeah, there's, there's a bit in the book there about, there's a fun dad twist that even beyond the moment in time that we shared. So it's a bit of a co creation with his soul and my soul on this one. So, so yeah, I would love to, I'd love to connect further outside of this lovely conversation.

Agi Keramidas: 34:12

Thank you. But I also have two quick questions that I always ask, and the first one is, what does personal development mean to you? One of

Becca Eve Young: 34:26

my favourite activities, it means coming home to yourself. It really does it, whatever that is, you know, someone telling you, since you were eight that, you know, you'd love to play the guitar, but, ah, no, that's not a good career path. I need you to be a doctor, you know. Or I really like shadow puppets, you know. I don't care whatever your heart and joy, you know that thing that calls and pulls to you? Everyone has that something that they're just like, really, you're passionate about, that like, go get it. I'm like, I'm I'm over here. But personal development is coming home to what you want to invest your precious time and energy into, and where you share your your unique spark.

Agi Keramidas: 35:17

And hypothetically, if you could go back in time and meet your 18 year old self, what's one piece of advice you would give her?

Becca Eve Young: 35:27

Ooh, it's funny. I'm not really a regret person like i. Don't have any regrets, because I just I see the path of everything when you look back on it. But if I could whisper a little something in her ear, I ironically, I would say, stop performing. That's what I would say. I would say, stop performing.

Agi Keramidas: 35:56

I find it interesting that we have kept this and without any prior arrangement, we just have kept this analogy, this metaphor. I know this isn't performance and roles,

Becca Eve Young: 36:10

and this isn't one I've tapped into before, and I'm like, where is this coming from? But it's I like it.

Agi Keramidas: 36:18

I like it too. Becca, I want to thank you very much for this conversation we had in your insights that you shared. I want to wish you all the very best with your mission and your book. Of course, what I would I will leave it to you for your parting words, and in particular, what I would like you to leave us with is for someone who has listened to this conversation and there are in their own messy space of transition where they have left the previous chapter behind. Yeah, and they are, you know, in uncharted territory, without even a clear sign of the port or however else you want to say it. So, yeah, leave us with some part in wisdom for this person. What could they, you know, using your wisdom to draw from,

Becca Eve Young: 37:26

yeah, ah, that person, I want to say congratulations. First off, I want to say congratulations, because in order to let go of that and to let go of the performing and the people pleasing and what isn't serving you, to arrive at the messy port, you know, to be in the messy storm, that takes courage. It takes courage, and so to be there, to be in that mess, to not know which way to go, Oh, it's so good. It's so good. It's so beautiful, because that's a wonderful sign. It means you're not looking for signs outside of yourself anymore. It means that you're not drawing from culture, from societal shoulds, from this, that and the other you're like, it's messy because you haven't listened to your own compass before. And like anything in life, there's that duality of light and dark. You don't you do not know the light without the dark, it's impossible. There's no reference point. And so if you're in that messy middle, I can tell you without a doubt, it's that is a beautiful time to cocoon and create and come home to your little your little nest. That cocoon time is your chrysalis. This is when you This is when you start to form. This is when you start to grow your wings. This is when you go from the fuzzy caterpillar, and the beautiful wings of the butterfly start to form, and the colours start to emerge. And next thing you know, you're in this and you're just like, oh, this is so gross and disgusting. And I'm like, why? But you don't realise what you're forming through sitting and all that mud is your lotus. Like, that's what comes no mud load, no Lotus. And so the messy middle is like, if you can just hold on to that as like, your your safety net, your buoy in the storm, and just know that, okay, I'm going to come out of this. And I'm become sharper, clearer, more beautiful, more rooted in my own knowing. So if you're there, it's like, I think of it like, you know, before the before the game begins, it's just like, you're you're just getting, you're just getting, you're getting you're getting ready, you're getting ready to go out and and blossom. And so in that messy middle, know that it's beautiful. Know that no one has the answer, but you tune into yourself. Take care of yourself, listen to your voice. Pause, get quiet. There's no way to find your compass without getting quiet with yourself, feeling your feelings and allowing all of what you've been stuffing down to start to come out. And it's not going to be comfortable. I hate to break it to you, but it's begging to come out, and when you let it come out, it's just, it's, it's a beautiful rebirth. So, man, maybe I. Need another messy middle. I love the messy middle. It's when you get to reinvent and come and come home to yourself. So, you know those moments, and after you've had enough of them, you're like, yes, like, Let's go bring it, because it's all a chance to expand and grow and learn. So thank you. It's a beautiful thing. It's a beautiful thing. And thank you. I really enjoyed talking with you. Thank you so much for creating just like a really wonderful space to share and talk about this and be authentic, and allow people to have a place to go when they're feeling, you know, off course, and to create a space where people can can get guidance to find that inner compass like that's a beautiful thing. That's a beautiful gift. So thank you for for doing that.

Agi Keramidas: 41:40

Thank you for listening to this conversation with Becca Eve young. I hope it has given you a fresh perspective on embracing uncertainty as a powerful part of personal transformation. If this conversation inspired you or gave you something meaningful, consider supporting the show. It's like, buy me a coffee in return for the value you received. Visit personal development mastery podcast.com/support or just tap the link in the episode description, until next time. Stand out don't fit in.